When Politico published a draft opinion from the US supreme on Monday night all hell broke loose.
The story told much about modern America, a leak from the Supreme Court was unheard of and immediately a search began to identify the leaker and establish on which side of the debate - argument, bar room brawl - they might be on
The Supreme Court condemned the leak but also confirmed the story while stressing that the draft was not the final judgment.
Last November Julie F Kay wrote an essay for the New York Times with Katherine Kolbert which stated that Roe is as good as gone. Their book - Controlling Women - What We Must Do Now to Save Reproductive Freedom - also looked at how America must mobilise.
In this podcast, Kay speaks about the decision and also her time in Ireland where she was lead counsel on a case taken by three women to the European Court of Human Rights.